While doing my typical stumbleupon’ing, I came across this atheist blog post. I’d like to answer whatever questions I can – I don’t know them all, but we’ll role with what we have. I am going to note that this person, while trying to attack Christianity, focuses solely on mainstream Creationism (and some false assumptions about Creationism). I can honestly say I was not even remotely challenged in my faith or my ability to explain God from the information and revelation He has provided to us. I hope you enjoy the read :)
What makes your story of creationism fundamentally different from all the others that exist now, have existed before, and will exist in the future?
Based on our creation account, there should be multiple similarities among other religious creation accounts if they have all been changed over time, because they should all in theory have the same roots. Uniqueness does not quantify correctness, and any Christian that tells you otherwise needs to get his/her brain checked. Stating that our religion is unique in all aspects is completely wrong, as we share certain elements with Judaism and even the Muslim faith (since it is also rooted in the Pentateuch). This question doesn’t even tackle any serious issue that Christianity should be broadcasting.
How did Noah find all of the animals and get them back to the ark? Did he bring them back one pair at a time, or did they all follow him in a line as he visited other continents to collect more animals?
According to the Bible, the animals came to Noah (Genesis 7:6-10). Is this far fetched to non-Christians? Yes, absolutely. Does it change the message of Jesus Christ and salvation? Certainly not. Does this change the testimony of Jesus Christ? No.
What did the carnivores eat on the ark?
Carnivores can eat things other than meat, but part of God’s commandment to Noah was to take all the food he could with him on the ark for his family and the animals to eat (Genesis 6:21). What significance does this have in regards to Jesus Christ: none.
How did koalas get to Australia after the ark washed up on that mountain?
I simply don’t know, but I could theorize that maybe there was a land bridge that has since eroded away, or has not been discovered yet. I’m not particularly qualified to make a professional claim on that. Sadly, we’re still not tackling any core issues with Christianity.
Why did your god make life that has to destroy other life, often cruelly, in order to survive?
Are you referring to animals that eat other animals, or that humanity often kills things to survive? I can’t answer for God, but I could pose opposite questions: Why wouldn’t God allow things to kill each other? Why didn’t God make all things immortal? I don’t know. God does whatever He wants to do, in my perspective on Him. This would be a good time to direct you to the cross of Jesus, His suffering, crucifixion, and most importantly, His resurrection!
If cruelty and suffering result from a ‘fallen world’ caused by some original sin of humans, why did your god also punish the animals for it by creating disease, pain and suffering for them too?
Most people say that sickness and all other things bad were a result of fallen humanity. Unfortunately, it says that men will have to work by the “sweat of their brow,” they land will not always cooperate (thorns, tilling, etc.), and they will return to dust in death. Women, on top of the above curse, will also have pain in childbearing. It doesn’t say “you will be able to get diseased” or anything like that, so I will assume the human body has always had the ability to contract diseases, and has always been able to experience pain. The snake was punished, but the other animals had no specific curse put on them (although it is implied that because of the ground/thorns/work, they are cursed – the snake was cursed beyond what other animals were cursed). As far as why the animals were cursed, or at least affected by the curse, I don’t know the exact logic, but it’s probably that humans were given dominion over all things on the Earth, and are commanded to “subdue” the Earth (Genesis 1:28), so if we are fallen, all things under us have collapsed. Now we’re getting close to the meat of the argument – but sadly, still not focused on Jesus.
Is it just to punish all humans, including those who weren’t born yet, for the sins of one? Would you punish your own younger children for the wrongs of the oldest which occurred before the others were born?
The real question here is this: would a loving god punish his creation, and to what extent? In punishment, God says He’ll punish three or four generations of people that hate Him, but thousands of generations that love Him (Exodus 20:5b-6). This isn’t a punish younger children for mistakes of the older children issue. This is a punish the children for the mistakes of the parents. All children, regardless of what we are taught or conformed, will have traits from the parents. Even in cases where children don’t know their parents, they still exemplify traits from them in their personality and habits. I don’t know how sin is transferred through generations, but it somehow is, according to scripture. Are we asking if this is fair by your standards? It doesn’t even seem fair to me by mine, but that doesn’t stop me from accepting it. Another great place to add in my two cents’ worth regarding Jesus’ redemptive work on the cross…
If humans are special creations, why do we share the traits of violence, lust, rage, tribal warfare, homosexuality, etc. with animals?
Special does not mean unique. I thought we were on a roll, and would start tackling questions about Jesus and God, but instead, we’re still focused on humanity.
Why do you believe your god made only one breeding pair (Adam and Eve), instead of many? With only one breeding pair, fathers are forced to have sex with daughters, brothers with sisters, and sons with mothers, in order to propagate the species. Is this a divine endorsement for incest?
Well, it is a good guess to say that Adam and Eve had a lot of children. It is also fair to say that God could have created Adam and Eve to be very very very genetically diverse, so their offspring would not mate and have deformed or have other traits associated with incest. Of course, over time, the genetics would become more diluted (as some traits are lost, and others added, duplicated, mutated, and whatever else). This is not an open door for incest, however. The bible talks about sexuality in Leviticus and gives a list of what is against God’s Law (Leviticus 18:6-18). This command was a while after Adam and Eve, and there was no longer a necessity of incest (prior, there were apparently no other people).
We can go from another view, that some say people went out and were able to have sexual relations with fallen angels who may have assumed human lives.
And what if God did create other human beings? Maybe, but there is no scriptural support, so I can only leave that at a question.
Why do we always focus on questions that we don’t have enough answers on, when we could be talking about Jesus, because that’s where it’s at with Christianity?
If all civilizations resulted from Adam and Eve, and oral traditions about the god that created them were passed down from generation to generation, why are there so many other creation stories in the world? Why didn’t all civilizations keep their ‘true’ religion?
There are so many creation stories, but almost all of them have one or two common elements. Why didn’t they keep their ‘true religion’? Why do some people from Christian families become Atheists? Sometimes people don’t agree with a religion, or they want to change it so they benefit from it. A valid question, and it skims on the verge of core values! Yay!
Why did your god only appear to one group of people? If it can do anything and be everywhere at once, why couldn’t it be f!@#ed to appear to the other people of the world as well?
Who is to say that God didn’t appear to other people? The Old Testament is written from the perspective if the Israelites/Jewish people. It’s essentially their history book. Even in their scriptures, they were told to give information about God to other people (I’ll get the reference as soon as I remember it). Why didn’t God just reveal Himself to other people groups? Again, maybe He did. If I were pushy, I’d toss another paragraph here about Jesus Christ, but you don’t seem to want to talk about Him.
Why do you get your scientific education from people like Kent Hovind, Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron? These people have no university-level education in science, and in some cases, no university education at all. Wouldn’t it be smarter to trust those who are educated, and actively researching, in the field?
There are some that trust Hovind, Comfort and Cameron, and others who don’t. The way they are presented, it seems like all Christians refer to them, but this is not the case. And, in other respects, there are many Christian Scientists with doctorate degrees in all sorts of fields. I actually got my scientific education from the public school system, as well as a chemical engineer and a biologist (who were guest speakers frequently in a science course I took in college). Again, we’re looking at Christians instead of Christ – we really need to get back on track and discuss/question some core issues.
Why has the world, including government funding, science journals, reputable newspapers, education standards, etc., moved on without you, leaving your barbaric bronze-age theories in their dust? Why have we made so much progress in our understanding after abandoning religious methodology for a scientific one?
Religion should have nothing to do with science, and science nothing to do with religion. People think there is some sort of connection between the two, but it is more barbaric to think that than it is to continue in religious pursuit. To say Christian theories are “barbaric bronze-age theories” is to also say this is true with Muslims, Hindus, Baha’i and many other culturally influencing faiths. My pursuit of scientific knowledge does not affect my ability to believe in God, or practice the Christian faith, and people from other religious systems will certainly agree with that ideology applied to their religion. I’m still not seeing how you are challenging Christianity’s core here…
Why is there at least some evidence for our scientific theories, but none at all for your creationism?
So, you are grouping all “scientific theories” against one religious view. Well, of course your blanket statement can show support for science, but you can’t deny that the Bible seems to have “some” historic accuracy, in both people and events, and even refers to some scientific facts (animal heirarchy, breeding, horticulture, history, ethics, politics, and many others that I can’t think of off the top of my head). I’m still waiting for you to challenge my ideas about God.
Why is the fossil record arranged in such a way as to suggest evolution?
Any evidence seen in different perspectives can suggest different answers. This is a vague question that needs more information. How does the fossil record support evolution? Could it also point to other alternatives? Can bones in the ground tell us anything more than species and estimated time of death? Does it change salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ?
Why are the continents shaped like they were once together, and have similar geology on what would be the common edges?
I believe the “Pangaea” theory has been debunked, but yes, I also see that the Earth’s continents seem to, in some cases, line up with each other. This doesn’t change or challenge any Christian ideas at all.
Why are the continents moving apart at a rate that would put them together millions of years ago?
See above answer.
If humans are special creations, why do we share the same biology, metabolic pathways, etc. with chimpanzees? Shouldn’t we have been made completely differently to emphasize the point?
Again, special does not mean unique. All living creatures on earth share similar characteristics – maybe it’s because that is exactly how God wanted it. Why would God have to make something absolutely unique to prove a point? This question also does not change or challenge any Christian ideologies.
To avoid the cruelty caused by life killing other life to survive, couldn’t we all have been photosynthetic organisms, using sunlight and inanimate molecules to make our energy? If you’re going to say there’s not enough energy in photosynthesis, why couldn’t your god design a more effective photosynthetic system?
Why do most electronics need batteries? Why could they all be solar powered? Again, what is this question even attacking? If you have a design problem, you don’t tell that to the product, you tell that to the designer. I suppose a valid question, but it ignores the core issue – who is Jesus Christ, and how can you get salvation from Him?
Why does the evidence from so many scientific disciplines, astronomy, geology, biology, physics, chemistry, all converge to suggest the Big Bang and Evolution, while at the same time pointing away from your theory?
There are some beliefs in Christianity that fully support the Bible, while also affirming the Big Bang and Evolution. This also seems to be a blanket statement that has very vague points, but you expect specific answer. Micro-evolution (such as changes in breeds of dogs, or colors of butterflies) is certainly Biblical, but Macro-evolution (two animals producing a completely different species) has no direct Biblical support. Most of the mainstream sciences support or build upon other theories which is why they all converge. There is, of course, alternate theories to each mainstream one that can account for different information. Ever since when was creationism a point of evangelism?
Why do the mathematical models behind scientific understanding of the Universe work so well, while creationists have no mathematical models at all?
Creationism can have mathematical models, but the problem is that we can’t say exactly how God created the Earth. The Bible says God spoke, and it happened, but we don’t know the method beyond speaking. It’s just like if you watch an illusionist, but you can’t figure out the trick – yes, there is a method, but no, we don’t know it. That does not make the illusion impossible, or remove a mathematical model from it. Likewise, Christians can say that God created the Earth, but we don’t have the information to say how it was done. Maybe God used the Big Bang. Maybe He did something else. I don’t know, but I won’t rule anything out. And I must again ask, what significance does this have on Christian beliefs?
Does your creation model or your holy book account for things like quantum mechanics? Why doesn’t it seem to contain much useful knowledge at all?
Troll Fail? The Bible is a history book, not a mathematics book. The main difference is history has practical application, and things like quantum mechanics has more information oriented towards theoretical application. You’re trying to compare two incompatible things, as if I would compare the cable television to the sensation of eating. All knowledge is useful, so I don’t even understand the last question’s effectiveness. Why does the creation model matter in the main message of Christianity?
If your god didn’t explain quantum nature for these people because they wouldn’t understand, then isn’t it time your god shows itself and gives us an update now that we have more understanding? Why doesn’t it divinely guide some people to write an update to your current holy book? Or is it allowing us to do that through science? Is the reason we don’t need an update that science is doing such a good job of answering the questions?
One could argue that our current understanding in “quantum nature” is a direct result of God bestowing that information. Unfortunately, this would cause a circular argument and frustrate a lot of people. The one thing I’ll say, however, is that if we already have the understanding, why would God tell us something we already know. As far as updating our “Holy Book,” I actually despise the early church for closing the Biblical cannon, but I think that’s a discussion for another time. As far as needing some sort of update to reflect the accuracy of science, why would we need this? Most people do not desire God’s approval or input in what they do, so why would God force that on them? How would quantum nature contribute to salvation in Jesus Christ (Christianity’s main message)?
Why does the human chromosome #2 appear to have been created by the fusion of two different chimpanzee chromosomes, complete with structures which would not be necessary if it was created as a single, unified chromosome?
That’s a good question, and one that seems to lack relevance. I could just counter with “Why not?” How does this change the message of Christianity (salvation through Jesus Christ)?
What is the Cosmic Background Radiation? The CBR is an integral part of the Big Bang model, and is in fact demanded by it. How does your creationism account for it, ie. where does it fit in to your model?
You have already mentioned that Creationism has no particular model, and I have already mentioned that Christianity does have sects who are completely okay with the Big Bang theory. I don’t understand how this changes salvation in Jesus Christ.
Why are the galaxies moving apart? Were they once much closer together?
There is a good possibility, I suppose, that they were closer together, especially if there was indeed a “Big Bang.” Even as a good point, does this challenge why I am a Christian, or who Jesus Christ is?
Why can we see objects in space that are billions of light years away?
Because we use telescopes? I don’t even understand the intelligence of this question, or even what the main point of it is. As a Christian, I have no problem with the ability to see billions of light years away, and I don’t know why any Christian would challenge this. Sadly again, this doesn’t bother questioning the core values of Christianity in any remote sense.
What process did your god use to create life? Can you describe how it works?
I didn’t realize that science can create life out of nothing, and can describe the process in detail. I don’t know how God did it, but He described it by saying He formed the flesh, and breathed life (or alternatively translated: put a spirit) into it. Needless to say, this touches on what God has done, but not who He is by Christian understanding, which is what you would want to tackle to change someone’s belief from Christian to Atheist.
Can you use your creation model to make any helpful predictions that might lead us to further discoveries or understanding?
As previously stated, you don’t believe there is a creationism model, so by your statement, it is impossible. I could, however, use creationism as a tool to understand the Earth and why I am here – it may not have the mathematical accuracy, but you have to admit that it seems to have a large following, and a much longer history than any of your scientific models. I can also use it to convey Jesus Christ’s testimony of resurrection and ascension.
What is one prediction that your model can make which could support your creationism to the exclusion of accepted scientific models, and what evidence can you find for it?
I didn’t realize I was excluding any scientific model by my non-existent creationism model. In fact, I have offered options to support scientific models alongside creationism, because I cannot deny evidence of either one, and they seem to work in harmony in most cases. Make one prediction that your model can make on the future of humanity, and what evidence can you find for it? Oh, we’re evolving? How. What evidence do we have of the current state and changes happening in the course of evolution? Limited information on a current situation can never accurately predict information on a future situation. There isn’t even a predictable pattern in evolution (some things evolved, other things stayed the same, some things evolved but now seem to be extinct). We can’t even explain why there are still fish (if they are the lowest form of evolution) – you would think they would have evolved a long time ago at the rate science says evolution happens, and if not, natural selection would certainly have taken care of any “late-blooming evolvers.” But, outside of my passion on the subject, where does this challenge my God, or my faith?
I want to note that I was quite disappointed at the lack of questions pointed to my faith in Jesus, or on the nature of God in general. I was sincerely hoping I would have to crack open my Bible for every question, and reference many scriptures, but these questions are simply attacks on a seemingly weak point of Christianity. Is there anything I missed, or miss-quoted, please let me know, and I can update this post in light of new information – I’m completely okay with being wrong, as long as I’m corrected.